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How Do Disc Repair Machines Work

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  • living-in-the-past over 3 years ago

    If anyone can suggest me, i'd like to know:

    1. are disc repairing machines worth while? I've seen that "entry level" machines outset at around £750..not including running costs, cleaning fluid etc.. anyone got any feel with these kind of machines, that could recommend one?

    2. if a disc has been resurfaced with one of these machines, is information technology now back to "mint" status? (or near mint, for you lot philosophers out there..) - ie. would anyone detect that it had been put in a machine, unless they used callipers that measured to the nearest micron? Would i exist able to command a college price? Currently, i cost "VG" CDs at effectually 25% of what others charge for a Mint disc, even though the goldmine system is highly inappropriate for CDs because "it either plays or it doesn't" and corrective condition doesn't announced to matter to most people. (People usually tell me the disc was improve than described, because under normal ambience calorie-free weather condition they can't encounter any surface marks).

    3. Would I be obligated (morally or otherwise) to mention that the CD had been professionally cleaned? Isn't this exactly what they do in deal shops (like Poundland) - pro-cleaned discs in brand new gem cases in brand new "Y fold" cellophane (though the loose-ness of the wrap is a giveaway to a trained collector). Plain, "refurbishments" like those muddy the waters for anyone looking for a 18-carat mint/new detail. But could I tell a resurfaced CD? I am not so sure... I picked up a 10p CD in CeX a few weeks agone and they cleaned it up to await brand new, and "factory" mint - if slapped in a new jewel example, I wouldn't exist able to discern it from ane that's just come out of the original cellophane. Of class, their car probably cost £20,000 which i don't have.

    cheers in accelerate, merely looking for your opinions on this...

  • New_Highway over 3 years ago

    "are disc repairing machines worth while?"

    If you already sell a lot of CDs, yes. It'southward a matter of book. With a disc repairing machine, you can buy lots of scratched discs and most of them will look make new after a treatment, thus increasing their value. Keep in heed that it won't work with all CDs. Some scratches will be too deep to exist polished.

    From my feel, I've been able to repair damaged discs that didn't play well and make them playable over again. It works and you don't demand to spend as well much coin. The JFJ Piece of cake Pro Universal CD/DVD Blu-Ray Repair Car is 150$ USD and is well worth the price in my opinion.

    "if a disc has been resurfaced with one of these machines, is it now back to "mint" condition?"

    Information technology depends on the disc condition, sometimes you can tell other times you can't. For a moderately damaged disc, with a couple of scratches here and at that place yous'll exist able to go far mint as long as the scratches aren't too deep. It's a case past example situation. 1 thing is sure, you'll be increasing the CD'due south value. But it must be worthwhile; yous need a stock of CDs that sells at least at 5$ considering when you make clean a CD it costs you cleaning fluid. When you process a lot of discs it ends upward costing a bit of coin. With the machine I use it's 8$ per cleaning fluid kits and I had to buy 3 kits for the amount of stock you see on my store.

    "Would I be obligated (morally or otherwise) to mention that the CD had been professionally cleaned? "

    I don't think most people will be interested to know. For instance, this company aren't mentioning it (as far as I know) and they sell a lot of refurbished CDs on Amazon: https://www.wired.co.uk/article/music-magpie-cd-dvd-reselling

    Just as with all things moral, I'm sure some people volition disagree. Personally, I couldn't care less if a CD has been polished or non. It's the same thing with books, do I intendance if the seller removed all the stickers on a volume, cleaned its encompass and sold me at a higher cost? Personally, no. I have a make clean book and this is what matters.

  • la-voie-du-sabre over iii years ago

    living-in-the-by
    if a disc has been resurfaced with 1 of these machines, is it now back to "mint" condition?

    certainly non

    resurfacing means protective layers will have been polished away, hence definitely rendering the CD more vulnerable to harm. the more information technology's been "repaired", the less protective layers it will have

    living-in-the-past
    Would I be obligated (morally or otherwise) to mention that the CD had been professionally cleaned?

    the reply lies in your question. i'd strongly recommend y'all would do and then. whatever heir-apparent catching you out on this i would be more than entitled to be pissed off and legitimately neg y'all in the process

    information technology's a flake like asking "should i be honest?"

  • dolphyfan over 3 years ago

    living-in-the-past
    two. if a disc has been resurfaced with one of these machines, is information technology now back to "mint" condition?

    A museum has George Washington'southward hatchet, the one he cut the cherry tree with. When asked nearly information technology the curator said termites had gotten into the handle so it had been replaced many years ago, and that the cut head had all merely rusted away and it, also, had been replaced. But, yep, that his hatchet!

    I recollect most volition concord that "looks mint" and "IS mint" are two different things. I wouldn't care if a CD had been polished, but I would like to know. Imagine if in that location was a way to rejuvenate battered LPs. Someone could make a pocket-sized fortune. Or ruin the marketplace?

  • RockNurse over 3 years ago

    I vote for listing every bit VG+ and then add comment "has been professionally refurbished and looks mint on play side." The store I used to manage had a machine and nosotros got a lot of utilize out of it - fifty-fifty had a service for customers wanting to bring their old discs in - with what I would estimate to be almost a 90% success charge per unit. Some discs will simply remain coasters of course. Eventually, though, we got rid of it as vinyl supplanted CD sales and information technology wasn't worth the time and effort anymore, particularly since past that time a used CD was worth no more than $4 max. In the past yr sales take rebounded somewhat, just mainly for rare and out of print stuff. Translation: no sane person would pay more than than a couple of bucks for that Motley Crue or Madonna CD, so refurbishing for a loftier percentage of popular discs probably isn't cost effective unless you are moving truckloads of used CDs.

  • living-in-the-past over 3 years ago

    la-voie-du-sabre
    I recommend you would practise so. any buyer catching you lot out on this one would be more entitled to be pissed off and legitimately neg you in the process

    it'south a bit like asking "should i be honest?"

    Equally i said, get the callipers out! Or maybe an electron microscope?

    It'due south not my intention to be dishonest (though it's hardly fair when music magpie can undercut every unmarried seller with refurb discs, equally others said..) . When people purchase a used LP, they are expecting it to have been professionally cleaned for some reason. And then why shouldn't CD be the same? Plainly, yous are removing a very tiny layer from the disc, just it's with the intention of increasing its playability non destroying it. I've bought "cleaned" records that sound worse probably than if they hadn't been tampered with. So is there an equivalent hither and to what extent.. I would similar to know.

  • living-in-the-past over three years agone

    New_Highway
    New_Highway

    Thanks for your post, it's reassuring! Yes most of my CDs are in the "Motley Crue $2 bin" // I guess in america its different, here the austerity stores are by and large populated past boybands. i'd dice if I saw a Motley Crue CD, to exist off-white!

    I had my eye on this monstrous matter: https://totaldiscrepair.co.u.k./store/vmi-2550/

  • la-voie-du-sabre over 3 years agone

    living-in-the-past
    It'south not my intention to be dishonest

    never unsaid it was ;)

    living-in-the-past
    professionally cleaned

    nosotros're not discussing cleaning though simply resurfacing which, equally written before, implies shaving off the protective layers

    living-in-the-past
    increasing its playability not destroying it

    yet, it's still removing part of the protective layers hence a definite footstep towards more vulnerability

    RockNurse 'southward suggestion is a fairly balanced one. you would definitely need to mention the process in the comments field. something along the lines of:

    CD was scratched and has been resurfaced. Now looks and plays excellent (EAC tested)

    what would be your stance regarding the pricing of such items?

  • Jarren over iii years agone

    living-in-the-past
    Would I exist obligated (morally or otherwise) to mention that the CD had been professionally cleaned?

    I would definitely mention information technology in your description. Something equally unproblematic equally "CD has been resurfaced", course it VG+.

    Putting it at Mint would exist opening yourself to a world of hurt if the buyer found out somehow.

  • The_Beatles. over three years agone

    dolphyfan
    A museum has George Washington'south hatchet, the one he cut the cherry tree with. When asked almost information technology the curator said termites had gotten into the handle then it had been replaced many years ago, and that the cutting caput had all but rusted away and it, too, had been replaced. Simply, yep, that his hatchet!

    You guys accept George Washington, and his hatchet, simply we have Trigger and his broom.

  • Weareonenation303 over three years ago

    Speaking of the JFJ easy pro, some reviewers have mentioned that the finish result leaves very faint swirl marks on the CD. Non to mention it as well creates a scuff mark on the CD ring which the heir-apparent can notice when inspecting, and suspect resurfacing was done to the CD at some betoken. The JFJ is useless if yous want to resurface CDs so they look like spanking NM with no traces left.

    You'll accept to shell a nice amount of Dollars / Euros if you want a very effective CD repair unit which is not worth investing in unless you have thousands of scratched up CDs.

    Anything that is resurfaced is VG+ at all-time. Grading resurfaced CDs as Mint or NM is bullshit. I 100% agree with the oggers that suggest to grade a resurfaced CD equally VG+ and land in the comments that the CD was resurfaced and looks NM.

  • dolphyfan over 3 years agone

    The_Beatles.
    Trigger and his broom.

    =)

  • Vinyl.Score over 3 years agone

    Vinyl.Score edited over 3 years ago

    Why not go the whole hog & get 1 of those re-sealing kits also & list everything equally Mint Sealed... <rolleyes>

    I'm pretty sure at that place'south loads of unscrupulous sellers out in that location playing the re-seal game & doubling the "value" of their wares. There's a suspicious amount of sealed items in Italian republic for a first, and let's not get started on Russia or Mainland china...

    If scratches don't effect play, there is no logical reason to polish them out, it's purely cosmetic. I believe some CD/DVD based games get polished because they are much more prone to glitching, that makes sense but music CDs should be left alone unless they actually skip & and then you should exist honest well-nigh it = VG+.

    You would have to polish a lot of very scratched discs to compensate the cost of equipment.

  • Vinyl.Score over 3 years ago

    One could relatively easily make (unboxed & therefore slightly dangerous) a polisher with an electric drill, a jig & a home fabricated turntable base. Some kind of carborundum paste is all that is used to shine & much cheaper than £60 a bottle.

    Saying that, it'll still rarely be worth the effort.

  • MJG196 over 3 years ago

    If it plays perfect, looks perfect, and sounds perfect, I think you're covered. Nobody will know. I certainly wouldn't intendance.

  • Vinyl.Score over 3 years ago

    Weareonenation303
    Speaking of the JFJ easy pro, some reviewers have mentioned that the end result leaves very faint swirl marks on the CD. Not to mention it besides creates a scuff marker on the CD ring which the buyer tin notice when inspecting, and suspect resurfacing was done to the CD at some indicate.
    MJG196
    If it plays perfect, looks perfect, and sounds perfect, I call up you're covered. Nobody will know. I certainly wouldn't care.

    You can fool some of the people some of the time...
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    living-in-the-past
    It's not my intention to be dishonest (though it'due south hardly off-white when music magpie can undercut every unmarried seller with refurb discs

    It'due south basically a moral event, will you exist able to sleep at nighttime knowing you are taking part in what is basically a grading scam?

  • RockNurse over 3 years ago

    I hold, and certainly no one hither is implying dishonesty merely because the topic was brought up for debate. Only there does need to be a moral baseline, and that is best achieved via transparency and full disclosure, regardless of whether or not a percentage of people experience this item scenario isn't all that controversial. If 1 buyer feels ripped off or deceived when that could accept been completely avoided via simple disclosure in the item description, that's one too many.

  • RockNurse over 3 years ago

    Pre cyberspace, tape show dealers and mail order sellers, non to mention store owners, earned specific reputations based on their past behavior towards customers; we buyers would definitely share info with one another, and a shady dealer would e'er get outed eventually based on this unwritten only very real ethical code.

    Now, though, Discogs (and, earlier that, eBay) has substantially opened a Pandora'southward Box by which that upstanding lawmaking has been eroded - through both laziness and an unfamiliarity with bones customer service - and in some cases deliberately undermined by greedy opportunists. So really, the but fashion to minimize all this is to both comport ethically and encourage others to do also.

  • bdcd over iii years ago

    The Beat Goes On, a used CD/DVD store located in Oakville, Ontario (they have several others locations in Ontario), resurfaces every unmarried disc they sell equally a matter of form. Customers wait while an employee "cleans" the discs they take selected on a buffing wheel. This is washed in front of the customers, who seem not to care....in fact, they seem to expect it.

    The discs aren't even scratched (they wouldn't purchase them if they were). The buffing is washed to remove the dust that has accumulated on the discs, which are kept backside the counter, while the empty jewel cases are kept on shelves for customers to look thru'.

    Some other place, well known to local collectors, Dixie Records (Fantastic Flea Marketplace) in Mississauga likewise has their discs resurfaced, though not on-site.
    Customers don't seems to care.

    Of grade, a disc can only exist resurfaced and then many times. In both above cases no deceit is involved. Customers know up-front what they are ownership.

    Not arguing for or against the practice.......I take bought at both places, so obviously it doesn't bother me...as long as the buffing is done correct, without leaving swirls.

  • jilemnicky_02 over 3 years ago

    Merely wanted to mention this: twice I had buyers complaining to me and request for a partial refund (not on Discogs Marketplace) because, supposedly, the disc has went through one of those polishing machines and there were swirls to be found, etc.

    This was not the example of class and both of them disappeared when I told them I 'd merely refund them in full upon filing for a render through Paypal and having the CD back in my easily. Just it seemed funny both of them used the aforementioned excuse.

  • Vinyl.Score over 3 years ago

    bdcd
    The Beat out Goes On, a used CD/DVD store located in Oakville, Ontario (they take several others locations in Ontario), resurfaces every single disc they sell as a matter of course. Customers expect while an employee "cleans" the discs they have selected on a buffing cycle. This is done in front of the customers, who seem not to care....in fact, they seem to await it.

    Did you see them apply a carborundum paste? If not, it's simply a clean, totally different thing.

    bdcd
    The discs aren't even scratched (they wouldn't buy them if they were). The buffing is washed to remove the grit that has accumulated on the discs

    This appears to comfirm that.

  • Sneerwell over 3 years ago

    'Resurfacing' actually is a misleading term hither. There is admittedly no new surface being practical! On the reverse what's there is being taken abroad. Also, any future scratches on a disc that undergoes the treatment will take the potential to practice more damage than on a disc freshly pressed from the manufactory.
    I'chiliad not saying there is no use case for the automobile polishing procedure. If a totally messed up disc that doesn't play anymore tin can be made playable again, why not?

    Simply doing and then and not advertising the fact is an absolute no-become. Catamenia.

  • bdcd over 3 years ago

    bdcd edited over 3 years ago

    Vinyl.Score

    Did you run into them utilize a carborundum paste? If not, it's just a clean, totally different affair

    Come to think of it, no. You're right, just a clean on a cloth buffing wheel.

    Edit:
    But paste or no paste, using a buffing bike still removes part of the disc's surface....obviously more is involved than just wiping off dust with a manus cloth.

    looks like this
    https://www.net32.com/media/shared/common/mp/jsp-dental/jsp/media/mini-polishing-motor-dc56.jpg

  • Plastic-Demons over 3 years agone

    living-in-the-past
    fifty-fifty though the goldmine organisation is highly inappropriate for CDs because "information technology either plays or it doesn't"

    That'southward what happens when an existing grading arrangement is used for a totally different media type, the same is true for the cassette grading on here, the grading should exist based on the sound quality not the visual appearance. A CD that plays sound perfectly should be classed as NM, a CD with one mark or a hundred marks tin still play perfect audio.

    If a 'Classic' machine has had a full restoration so it'south considered to be in 'Concourse' condition which is as skillful as new, if a CD has been returned to an unmarked flawless condition the playing quality is still NM.

    The grading for NM CD's states
    CD
    Near perfect. No obvious signs of utilise, it may accept been played - only information technology has been handled very carefully.

    At that place'southward a big difference between NM that accepts an detail might accept been played, and that of Mint were you're telling someone that it hasn't been played.

  • spade-and-whitey over three years agone

    E'er wondered what those sealed refurbished CD'south my local charity shop sell. [Not that they accept annihilation worth the gamble].

    • Source: https://www.discogs.com/forum/thread/779898

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